it's how do we know whether it's business as usual, but i think to some extent. they all do something like this. the john murtha case, for instance, and the ear marks and just being above it all. but i think to kim's point, look, the ethics committee this week put up on its website the document of its lawyers, list of charges. >> right. >> there is not enough time on our program to read through. it is endless. and anyone thinks this is just small change should go through. there's hundreds of things in there. it's off the charts. this is exactly what people are upset about. the failure to put things on a disclosure report. the failure to report taxes for the income, soliciting donations for the rangel center from people who have to do business before his committee. >> that's right, i think one of the things that is extraordinary here, kim, just how the degree to which this is extraordinary coming from the ethics committee, given rangel's stature in the congress and how beloved charlie rangel is in the