story. that's not true anymore. it hasn't been true for years. even more than a decade. nowadays, if i get around to the "new york times" at all, it is among the very last things i read because it isn't reliable. and it isn't necessary so you believe shaffer and i believe him. >> die, too. >> bill: he comes back and is he interviewing the attorney general of the united states. you know how these things go, you have done these shows, you have got a staff. cbs has got a big staff saying okay, here is what is in play. here is what is in the thing. schieffer still doesn't know anything about this story. according to -- it's staggering. >> brit: when i was managing editor in washington one of the things i got warkd hard at is to get other people in the media to news digest every day. had you to look elsewhere and cast a wider net. you couldn't rely on