gerrard. >> in the appearance for us when we read history books, created the schools. but he created people that were dependent on him to stay in power. >> rockefeller retired by the 1900s and that is a movement that begins in the progressive era. [ inaudible ] >> that's true. >> glenn: that's what we were talking about, i don't know if you heard in the break. i said my problem is that, you know, that money can reach beyond the grave. i think it was vanderbilt who said the more money i have, the more i give my children, the more damage i do to them, because they don't have the struggle i have, that made me the man. >> it's interesting. burt has done a lot of research on the children of the so-called robber barons and i think it was billy