the one hand and american and former american officials like thomas pickering who is the united states ambassador to the united nations or, of course, former president jimmy carter hopping to the gaza strip. of course, those are outside the white house. hamas is claiming they're in touch with individuals in the white house and also, by the way, you go back to the presidential campaign, 2008 and remember, obama did have an advisor and his name was robert maly and he resigned admitting contacts with hamas. >> he did resign. we have a quote this morning from a hamas figure. comment, wanting to keep this communications under wraps. this is a sensitive subject. americans don't want anyone to comment on it. this will catch the attention of pressu pressure groups in the united states and cause problems. it certainly would cause problems. why in the world would the united states want to be meeting with hamas? what goals have they in place? >> if you look at obama's policies overall when it comes to meeting with adversaries,