pay to play there either, is there? >> you are correct. i think the prosecution ended with john harris in such a bad way they didn't once bring up the fact there was a conversation about campaign money, quid pro quo, anything of the sort with with regard to jesse jackson, jr., with regard to oprah, with regard to anyone. they said, the governor and john harris met with jesse jackson they discussed his viability. and the governor said, i didn't like him. but i'm going to pursue this opportunity, because i think he is the best candidate. not one time sean did they talk about money this is how they send -- an -- they ended with the witness. this whole oprah thing to the person on the outside looking in it seems funny and out landish. there was a poll that said oprah brought viability to obama's campaign. so, it is not that crazy, she helped the guy. so, blagojevich isn't as crazy