obama has a few people tough on him, too. >> bill: look, we put together that and we could have done that for a minute and a half and it has to be that the press in america senses, as you said it at the top of the interview, this is the low point for obama. >> here is the thing you invoke the comparison to jimmy carter, seems a more apt comparison ronald reagan. >> bill: he didn't have this much trouble. >> his approval rating was lower. >> bill: he wasn't in the chaos zone. he has four chaos zones, the biggest things in the country and reagan didn't have that. if were you to say, president obama, you have to go on the factor tomorrow and point out your big victory, what would be the victory, the health care? >> i think that would be-- >> most americans are opposed, most would like to revoked. >> most americans are exhausted by the process.