president is detached from a knowledge of american history that american carry with them and that has to do with, we are the most benign power ever to have exerted the greatest military power, not only saved the nations at world war ii after the war, with the marshal plan, everything about this nation. >> paul: you mentioned a particular anecdote which is the return of-- by president obama to then prime minister gordon brown of the winston churchill bus, a gift after 9/11 by former prime minister tony blair, he returned it and sent it back and you thought that was a telling illustration of this mindset that you're talking about. explain this why. >> and other americans, though it was covered in mystery and all that irk the reason why he sent it back. >> why he sent it back, it had to do with the fact that in this great house of many-- mansion of many houses-- >> many rooms, yes. >> rooms. the idea that the first act of this international kind was to