i think that's just what people did in 1963 in west texas. no one ever suggested that i talk to any one a pastor or a counselor or any one. really i didn't want to talk about it. i wanted to just not think about it put it out of my mind. >> it never went out of your mind? >> of course not. >> you describe things similar to my background. like when your father would talk about world war ii or the pictures or images he had of the holocaust my father never talked about world war ii. my parents lost a daughter to sids. i didn't find out about it until i was ray old ner my life in a that ever happened. they let it go and didn't talk very much about it. >> i think that was a chasht ristiry -- characteristic you didn't complain, stiff upper lip. just move on. >> to listen to excerpts from