-- hears overwhelming evidence of guilt, but based on what they know about the defendants and what great individuals they are and their absolute lack of sympathy for the terrorist thug abed, they say okay, we understand what went on here but we're still not convicting. that is probably one of the things the defense is looking for as for what happened in fallujah. gregg: we're going to nullify the law. there's no law that says you have to follow the law if you're sitting on a jury, even in a court marshal. look, all of this could have been avoided if the seems had agreed to an article 15. what is that? >> often called an admiral's mask or captain's mask, it's akin to a disciplinary hearing that a school teacher or police officer might face. gregg: a slap on the wrist, but the navy seals didn't want to do that, why? >> well, they're heroes. it just shows you what men of character they are. there is a tremendous amount