faith and charity from. and if people approach them from different environments, and different circumstances, then we've got to also be realistic about some may need more charity than others, some may need more hope than others. >> glenn: no, hang on a second. again, you are going to the system. >> i'm going through the execution. you're going through the internal, the character part. >> glenn: yes. >> i agree -- >> glenn: i'm not talking about -- because when you have people who tell the truth, when you have people who revere god and when you have people who are charitable in their hearts, everything can be solved. may not be 100% to your liking or my liking but we can solve things. >> correct. >> glenn: would you agree? >> i agree with that. >> glenn: is that the principle -- because i was thinking about this today with you. you were at martin luther king's elbow. >> no. i was after king. i worked with jackson -- >> glenn: you were not walking with -- >> no. mrs. king. >> glenn: i didn't know that. >> martin. i'm only 55. i was 13 when king was killed