congresses actually passing medicare cuts which they have not done in the past, passing tax increases, which they haven't always done in the past, so he actually had a chart that showed that rather than shrink the deficit, by $138 billion, it would increase it by over $600 billion. and the one thing the number does is it may not have significance in terms of the reality of financial spending, it gives political cover to the democrats. they'll be able to go back and say, here's what the nonpartisan agency said, lit cut the deficit. of course, we'll never know, it's a decade from now and a lot of benefits don't kick in for six years. >> chris wallace, thank you for your time as always. >> you bet. >> and the unions smart this, and why they held out for so long and what changed their minds, up next. ♪