pollster, pat kadell. we think this this is a march of folly to use barbara tuckman's phrase and we don't want to see the party face slaughter in the polls in november, hence, we wrote the article. >> do you think that president obama delaying his trip overseas and perhaps twisting some arms and get it over the finish line perhaps to his own, to the democrats detriment. >> noi from working with the president clinton that the president of the united states has unique persuasive power. everyone who comes out of the meeting with leadership or the president says i'm not for the bill now, but we had a good meeting. that's code word that we want to vote for the legislation. there's every reason to believe they'll get close to if not over 216, but i believe that if they do, it will not help them in november, probably hurt them very badly. >> all right, doug shone, democratic pollster, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you, molly. >> how far are democrats willing to go in order to pass health care reform? tomorrow on fox news sunday,