>> 108,000 bucks to create a job in washington, in government. $69,000 for the exact same apples to apples job and the difference, yeah, about 7,000 comes from the salary difference. you get paid 7,000 bucks more being a federal worker. but the real difference comes in all the benefits, the health care, everything else they put in. the difference around 40,000 for benefits package for a government worker and about 9,000 in the private sector. we lost 4 million jobs since obama has been elected. in that same period of time, almost every single sector lost jobs except for one. which one? wait for it. federal jobs. not state and local jobs. >> that's not a hard one to figure out. mark, do you have any problem with that? >> no, not at all. the federal government is often the stimulus of the economy. go back to the 1930s. you'll see how the new deal worked. it's by government aid for