should be said that what desiree rogers and the first lady did, with the white house and the social events and bringing american culture into the white house and connecting the white house with the people was really extraordinary and great and should be commended for that and it has been an exciting year, for them with all of the events they've had at the white house and she did all of those parts of her social secretary job really, really well and now, she did one thing really poorly and it cost her her job, in large part. >> chris: let me ask you about that, because you hear in all of the accounts, that the knives were out for her, in the west wing, beyond just this one event. >> she has a very high profile, definitely had a high profile. generally, social secretaries, should be, you know, in the background, never, as in the front as this firsts lady and she was an unusual pick in the first place, she was a big corporate executive and powerhouse on the chicago scene before she came but i think it is the -- if the salahi incident