medicine and religious materials. it's a narrow exception. >> they're hoping to widen that much beyond that little exception that exists in the law. >> they think they can use the money to take terrorist organizations and make them nice people now? is that what they're claiming? >> that's part of the argument. they say we can teach them and train them in peace building activities and different ways of looking at the situation and the arguments they have before them. so it's a little bit kumbia by some estimates but they want the freedom to reach out in that way. >> shepard: well. >> money is fungible and if you're supporting humanitarian aid to these organizations you're bolstering their work to engage in terrorist activities. so you can't have it both ways. >> that's one of the folks involved in the case from the antidefamation league, supporting the same argument from the obama administration that the law has been helpful in