degree. i will say that biden's argument that the bush administration had tried a bunch of terror people in the civilian system and had put them in jail, but the expense of now of this is really upper most in my mind. plus, mary katharine, the 2006 law that was signed by congress, that was approved by congress, signed by bush and then re-signed by obama. that should take precedence. who had the stronger argument, mary katharine, juan said biden, brit said cheney. you say? >> i think the fact is that when you do look at the numbers, the white house can say they want to argue with cheney all they want. but the fact is that he moves the numbers on these issues in favor of his own arguments. and the fact that you have got, you know, darth vader arguing for those arguments and yet they seem to be succeeding with the public speaks to how much stronger his argument is. the american people like their president to be tough on terror and to sound like it. he has got at thedeputies out tn brennan and holder making it