yesterday. mr. goldberg joins us from miami. so, we're just talking media savvy here. this is why this segment is important, bernie. you and i have been in the business a long time. we know how to operate on television. we know how to get our points across. barack obama, i submit to you, is president right now, because he understood how to use the television camera, how to present himself in a mass market, how to sell his point of view in a general way in the campaign. now, once he became president, it became more problematic for him. yesterday we had on display dick cheney and joe biden on television. who came across stronger? >> i think however i answer that, bill, however i answer it is only going to reflect my own biases. because i think people who -- the folks out there who think cheney came off better is almost certainly because they like cheney's point of view going in. and whoever thinks that biden came out better, it's because they like biden views going in. so, i think the reason you are