they're very sensitive to this criticism. so i think they want to put the vice president out twice on two separate shows, along with the national security adviser, to anticipate and rebutt or prebutt charges from dick cheney who has a proven spokesman for national security and reserve tiff -- and conservative republicans in the past. megyn: juaps. it smart to put our current vice president in rebuttal to the former vice president? >> absolutely. you've got to understand dick cheney really has a lot of credibility, he has been an aggressive critic of the administration, so it was very important i think for the obama administration and vice president biden to come out and rebutt what they're hearing from the former vice president. it's one of those situations where dick cheney is saying we disagreed on closing guantanamo bay and then, you know, vice president biden said wait a second, you intended to close guantanamo, anyway, you just didn't have a date set in