if when stuff is played, are there going to be people go whoa, is it going to be damaging to the president or rahm emanuel or both? it's an opinion question. not a legal -- >> well, i will leave that to others. >> bill: man, you are dodging, you are dancing. how you can do this? you are supposed to be a straight-up guy. you are supposed to be -- come on. you are dancing. you are dodging. "yes" or "no," in your opinion, is it damaging or not? come on, there is nothing wrong with that you are not breaking anybody's cferredz. you are not going to get in trouble. you are already in a lot of trouble. this isn't going to make it worse. >> there were no illegal conversations with me or rahm emanuel. no illegal conversations between president obama and me. >> bill: okay. that's good. >> there are, however, fbi interviews with president obama with rahm emanuel and other people in the white house. we have asked the government to turn those interviews over. >> bill: you don't know though, you don't know whether -- what they said. let's get back to you, what you know. okay. so, in your opinion, nothing illegal was said by emanuel or