october was enough for the president elect's of the european commission thank you very much for talking to us. and that was myself and there's beginning with the president elect or slip fund all right to talk about this what we call fast track politics here in europe i'm joined here at the big table by melissa berlin correspondent with the new york times and to her right you don't use very a political correspondent so i'm young it's good to have both of you here melissa you spoke with ursula from the lion what 2 times at least you've interviewed her did you ever get the impression that she wanted the top executive job in the european union no not at all i think there was a point when maybe she wanted to become chancellor but the. it was also quite a while ago now the 1st time i spoke to her it was 29 or 2010 it was quite a while ago she was just the family minister and her focus was really just on getting to know berlin at that point and i spoke to her again 2017 it was right