specializes in how companies can defend themselves in a trade dispute. first of all protectionism and stealing tech there the main gripes about the chinese beijing rebutted those claims yesterday and someone located in neutral switzerland who's playing fair here. so when we look at the chinese. if the question is whether they're protectionist or not well the answer to that should still be yes not so much in the realm of international trade where everything is quite liberal in terms of stance but in fact in terms of domestic policies we call that industrial policies and that china still provides a lot of advantages to their own businesses so they are protectionist in your view are they also stealing tech i mean companies tell me the chinese play europeans and americans off each other to get the lowest price the bidders thinking no raise it