a cult a lot of members of parliament and government here in berlin think those harmless sounding words could become very expensive for german taxpayers chancellor angela merkel sounded a more cautious note it's not true of course there are always differing perspectives between germany and france i mean debates open debates and in the end we also need the ability to compromise these kinds of compliments a lot of people will be discussing that at all levels of government it's help first results will be announced at the next e.u. summit in june. so because asking for sort of there is the will he yes it let's discuss this will come on haunt she's an economist effort university specializing in the history of political ideas now karen is mccaw a european visionary always you just overly enthusiastic about a european superstate. that's a very nice question i think is both he is a visionary and we need visionaries we need people with a long view on what europe stands for what europe needs to achieve and how strongly