but they're interested in reading and learning about it so we want to be there for them and to answer their questions present time. in recent years there have been reports about declining church membership including germany's lutheran church people are leaving in droves as the luther your stop this trend. you know it wasn't designed as a marketing campaign aimed at a turnaround but it might have had that effect exactly but i think major cultural events like this have a more subtle but also more sustainable effect that we've already gained a lot if we've awakened interest in religious questions in topics. for us it's important not just that people come back to the church but that we the church reach out to people with cultural events and collaborate with museums and concert venues that we go beyond the church walls and i think that has happened even if it.