a value that is kept by nation borders is a value. there is no clear winner of the self-determination of a certain group of people who is feel as though they are under the yoke of a colonial power yup it which is not the case in colonial power because spain is a democratic state we could have made this argument in the balkans for example of war talk about croatia cause of obama's now to govern all these there was yugoslavia as a dictator colonial power if you will to scald all the acts of the union states this is not the case with spain because it's a democratic state that should be solved the problem undemocratic meets you know when the referendum is there's nothing more democratic than a referendum and then you and then forty two percent participated and that is very very pertinent and you need a certain horse to say people didn't participate when you put bullets on and put police force in front of the vote polling station so.