balls right now. and he certainly thinks he has an opportunity for a bipartisan result, in part, on infrastructure. and i don't think he wants to stoke this debate to the partisan level of ten at this moment. >> so as to get an infrastructure bill? >> i think he wants an infrastructure bill. i think he needs this to play out in sequence. getting joe manchin on board was a significant thing. the compromise joe manchin laid out was a significant thing. i think as a practical matter, that is the bill for democrats. that's the principal vehicle that they will pursue. >> the manchin compromise? >> the manchin compromise. and if in fact that is spurned, as we expect by all republicans, as they spurned the january 6th commission, as they may end up spurning bipartisan infrastructure talks, those become building blocks in a democratic argument that, yes, is messaging, but it could be more than messaging. democrats are going to try party leadership, biden on down, at some point later this year to