these things, they fumbled with the colin kaepernick thing. they tried to right their wrongs, really leaning in to social justice and now this. this is a great opportunity for the nfl to really embrace this and hopefully it paves the way for others to come out and just be their authentic selves. >> you're exactly right. you're exactly right. this is the opportunity for the nfl to embrace this, right, and to bring some education to all of this. and, so, things that like, i worked with on, things that david kope, ryan to callahan, all these other players that came before, now it is time to sort of -- i'm tired of asking, right, to tell you the truth. i'm tired of asking. now we need to start moving forward in this whole equality and inclusion part. >> and we received some statements from current and former players supporting carl. so that obviously is a good thing. let me come to you on cole