something like that to other people. so it would be -- it would be fascinating to know what kind of conversations he has with his priests about this. i mean, he's obviously been in communion his whole life. he goes every week. he was denied once last year, but in general, he's obviously made some kind of peace with this. >> yeah. you know, james martin, an editor at large of american magazine spoke to cnn yesterday about this move by the bishops and what it speaks to. let me play what he said. >> i think the bishops proposing this are sincere. they are pro-life. i am pro-life. the problem is, again, that, for example, when you consider someone like attorney general barr who expedited executions. the death penalty is against catholic teaching and there was no call to deny attorney general barr communion. people are seeing this as rather