he denied any involvement in cyberattacks. he downplayed human-rights abuses. even refused to say alexei navalny's name. so, how does that account to a constructive meeting as president -- president putin? >> well having said that, he left for the airport and home. but not without saying this to reporters out on the ramp. >> i owe my last question an apology. i shouldn't have -- i shouldn't have been such a wise guy with the last answer i gave. anyway, thanks for being here. >> perspective, now, from fiona hill, national security council senior director for european and russian affairs during the last administration. she is currently a senior fellow at the brookings institution. ms. hill, having been at the 2018 trump-putin summit in h helsinki, i'm wondering how you think today's events in geneva compare? >> well, i think it's very hard to compare with the helsinki summit. in terms of the optics of it from the outside, and the press