interference in the 2016 and 2020 election, that's a much more sensitive topic. after all, putin is a former kgb officer, an intelligence officer himself he's going to completely say that this is -- you know, he has denied this in the past, he will deny it i'm sure today, but i think, you know, ransomware issue is something that biden can push on and putin can say, yes, we will look into it and maybe do something about it. >> just holding these talks as you say, peter, can help reduce the risk of miscommunication and that risk could be very serious, but there are these areas as you also point out where they can find some common ground. why do you think, though, that they decided or i guess the u.s. decided there would not be a joint news conference at the end of this conversation? >> i mean, it's got to be something to do with the fiasco of the last trump/putin press conference. i mean, i believe.