that this is getting broader and wider. and it's -- what's still not clear, and paula was speaking to this, is who really was being targeted. why they were being targeted. they were being targeted for a subpoena, but are they the target of an investigation? we know in barbara starr's circumstances, we know that she was not a target of an investigation. why isn't the justice department explaining -- why can't the justice department explain the circumstances around this more? >> certainly the justice department could explain it if they want to. there's nothing prohibiting that. but the justice department likes to hold on to its ability to conduct secret investigations. sometimes you're investigating intelligence matters, sometimes you're investigating mob figures. and for instance, if you're looking at their bank records or other kinds of records, you certainly don't want them to know that you're doing that as you're putting the case together. but of course in the situation that we have here where