really knew everything. >> appreciate it. thank you. fascinating. i want to get perspective from someone who knows about trump finances. timothy o'bryan also cnn jim acosta and dana bash. tim, given your experience with then citizen trump in a legal setting, he once sued you for $5 billion because he didn't like what you wrote his net worth was, much less than he claimed it was and the judge tossed the lawsuit. how do you think this news of the grand jury is being received and how serious do you think it is? >> i don't believe he's receiving it well. i don't think anybody with an ounce of common sense would be happy to be part of a criminal probe that's part of a grand jury proceeding. i think you'll start to see him lash out. you can properly set your stopwatch to how soon he'll go after vance and the process. and i think this has enormous