there are many things that we are not really discussing when we're talking about racism is that people in this country don't want to speak about racism. they don't want to delve into the conversation that were the founding principles of this country started in white nationalism. >> it's also that they don't prioritize. what lz is getting to and i think what, doug, you understood when you spoke with a person who's been affected by this in a way that you're not is that people don't prioritize racism. they'll prioritize as lz said a tax break or they'll prioritize some other financial aspect, something that has to do with the economy. but why don't you prioritize racism? is it because it doesn't affect you or maybe because there's something there you don't want to admit but go on. >> it doesn't affect them.