that place was packed, right? the judge is a respected guy. what was the name? oh, good. that was some -- that was some crowd. we had twice the number outside and then you had this crazy beto. beto had like 400 people in a parking lot. they said his crowd was wonderful. >> reporter: now, pam, i was at that rally for the president back in february when beto o'rourke was outside his supporters. the president was bragging about getting illegal immigrants the hell out of our country, something the crowd inside was cheering but people outside were protesting the president's visit to ohio, months before this tragedy was going to strike. that's also a rally where the president still owes the city of el paso over half a million dollars, something they initially billed him for and added on a late fee because it has not been paid. those fees are because of police officers having to be paid for working that event, public safety costs that the city has