look, the administration will say well, we want everybody to follow the law. if you want to apply for asylum in america go to a point of entry and ask for it lawfully. but they're actually punishing people for doing that right now. if you follow the law you are immediately sent back to mexico where there are not enough shelter beds, where the united states is doing absolutely nothing to help the mexican government take care of these people. and they become easier prey for the smugglers and traffickers who give them another way to come here. and look, this is -- we had a statement recently that came out from steven miller who as ayou know is running this policy at the white house. he said, quote, my mantra is to create as many unsolvable dilemmas for these migrants as possible so that they never make the journey. so basically the policy is cruelty at every stage, whether