what's going on, i agree with john that biden is so experienced and i think he could. you know, i think should bernie sanders or elizabeth warren get the nomination, i think they're more than capable of it. you know, there are a fair number of people up there who could do that. i thought bennett and the governor of -- steve bullock had a good night, but they don't have a lot of exposure so it's going to be less likely they'll get the nomination. >> governor kasich, you like many of the democrats running now certainly have a long political resume. trump is not -- the most obvious statement in the world -- not your typical politician, but he has mastered a way to level personal attacks and stay away from really any policy details, like certainly nobody i've ever seen before. is that the biggest challenge ahead for anyone facing him? because i mean, you're arguing against somebody who isn't arguing a set of facts that are agreed upon, and who is even not even arguing policy that much.