weeks, particularly on stage. on that note, do you think team biden should be a little nervous? >> i think they should feel like they maintain the status quo last night. i don't think there were any game changing moments. >> looking ahead with elizabeth warren on this stage? they should be concerned? >> they should absolutely be concerned. but again, this idea of electability is built on the pundit class thought that joe biden is the only one that can win against president trump. voters have taken the role of pundits. my friends and neighbors are going to want to vote for someone like joe biden because he's steady, trusty, uncle joe. i think the voters are behaving like pundits. because of that, they have been convinced that joe biden is the electability candidate. >> voters can speak for themselves, i think they're more than that, right? >> they do, and that may very well be true. joe biden may be the best