way he has enforced it, because he is using it as the crutch to lock up women and children, to separate mothers and babies, to put them behind bars. so i don't think we should have law on the books that can be so misused. it should be a civil violation, and we should make sure that we treat people humanely. >> thank you, senator. vice president biden? in the first two years of the obama administration, nearly 800,000 immigrants were deported. far more than during president trump's first two years. with the higher deportation rates resume if you are president? >> absolutely not. number one. number two, everyone landed on the president's desk but locusts. the secretary, we sat together in many meetings. i never heard him talk about any of this. >> three billion people deportation. >> please be respectful. please continue, mr. vice