welcome back to the cnn presidential debate. we are live from detroit. i want to turn now to criminal justice, mr. vice president. senator booker called your new criminal justice reform plan, quote, an inadequate solution to what is a raging crisis in our country, unquote. why is senator booker wrong? >> i think he is wrong. i think we should work together. he has a similar plan. we should change the way we look at prisons. when someone is convicted of a drug crime they end up going to jail and to prison. they should be going to rehabilitation. they shouldn't be going to prison. they should be learning to read and write. when they get out of prison, they should be in a situation where they have access to everything they would have had before including pell grants for education, including making sure that they're able to have public housing, including they have all the opportunities that were available to them because we