my base is so strong. we do know that the trump campaign does have a digital operation where they're trying to bring out some of these voters, some of these people who are infrequent voters, who may not even be republicans. they are really driving and trying to bring those people out, even more so than trying to convince new voters to come over and bring minority voters or suburban voters to leave the democratic fold and support the president. >> but we're sitting in a state right now where trump won by 10,000 votes and black voters didn't turn out how they did in the past. so this is -- we are sitting in the epicenter where this strategy might backfire. >> if there's a strategy to it. i think part of his thinking if you convince everybody that all politicians are corrupt, your vote doesn't matter, maybe some people stay home. i'm not saying it's a good strategy but i think that's what he thinks. if you poison the well, people think my vote doesn't count because everybody is corrupt, maybe they stay home. we'll see. when we come back, we're in detroit, wayne county. african-american voters here are critical when the democratic primary rolls around next year. what are they looking for