sharpest sharpton, that is a confrontation that he welcomes. going after the so-called squad drove up numbers in his base. i pay attention closely to some data that's being drawn from swing voters, people who went from obama to donald trump or romney to hillary clinton, people who really hang in the balance. there's a mentailility among the folks of send them back, meaning those who are there illegally, not a citizen who's a member of congress. a lot of this bleeds together. and my point is this, we can't make the mistake that many of us, yours truly made in 2016 which was to think every time he said something beyond the pale, you thought, he's done. john mccain, a war hero, he's done. mexico sending us rapists, he's done. time and again he disproved all that conventional wisdom. so who knows how it plays in 2020. there's 15 minutes on the clock. >> true. why is it different this time? >> this is why i hope it's different. when you consider the fact that