chance. and she did a great job. >> kelvin? >> in that moment where mary tyler moore comes downstairs and she asks her husband what's wrong. >> i don't know if i love you anymore. >> she goes upstairs and she's just -- there's something so moving to me about somebody who is so deeply repressed cracking open. >> that's where the dam breaks. she gets hit by some truth that she can't articulate. she's so taken aback, she can't adjust, she can't take it in. that's what that moment was about. >> then you look at some of these films of the 1980s like "ordinary people" and like "blue velvet," those films are explicitly about how things look are not the way they really are. you have to understand this was when ronald reagan became president and the idea was that after all sorts of traumas, particularly watergate and vietnam, we healed, but as the public pronouncement is we're