end of the campaign season. >> right but i'm saying how did the breakout moment work for harris. >> it's not over yet. i came from the naacp convention in detroit. and she was well received with bernie and biden. imprisoning i think they're all? the top tier with elizabeth warren. the other candidates are struggling to catch up with that. i don't think kamala harris is in a bad position. i'd rather be in the second or third position honestly than the first position because in the top position you get all the heat and criticism. >> it's lienl like a challenge match. >> but in the fox poll be -- in the fox poll kamala harris did not get nearly the bump everyone thought she would. she is in fourth place way behind joe biden. >> but she already got about -- you have to look at the poll averages not one poll, too. >> we will see. >> well the fox was the most recent. >> 20 candidates will take the stage. >> and we all love fox. >> the next democratic debate on cnn tuesday and wednesday. i don't need to tell you it's must see tv.