one, you have millions of americans who have private health insurance that want to keep their private health insurance. that's one. number two, you have a number of -- millions of americans who like the fact that they no longer have annual or lifetime caps on their benefits that they can no longer be discriminated against because of pre-existing conditions. and all of the things that obamacare's offered. all of those things that all of the people came out in the midterms to protect when they came out over health care and making sure that we protected obamacare. so you have a system in place that people like, and the system -- the other system that people propose, and i love the energy for it and the creativity, but the truth of the matter is, you would have to raise taxes on everyone in order to pay for that plan. vice president biden's plan, you only raise taxes on the super rich. and that's how we get to funding what we need to do to make sure that 97% of the people in this country have access to affordable health care. >> so, listen, you know, president obama unsuccessfully lobbied a democratic-run congress to include a public option back in 2009. what makes the former vice president believe that he can get this done now? >> i think part of his experience from being out on the campaign trail for so many candidates in 2018. you heard the people. they spoke loud and clear that health care was a primary concern for how they voted. now, let's go back to 2012, 2014, when we took a shellacking over obamacare. it was very unpopular, but now that people have it, people like it, people want to keep it. and i think his pledge is to the american people that we won't