could work well in democrats' minds. they feel some nostalgia for those times. but she has been more forward looking in saying here's how we go forward. it's really up to the other candidates to begin to speak at that -- at a bar held that high. >> final note, just on pete buttigieg, new iowa poll has a decrease in support for him down to 6% there. i wonder if his experience at home, back in south bend, the police shooting controversy he's had to deal with there, is it your sense that's been hurting him in iowa? >> i think this is always true of a candidate who kind of pops out of nowhere. you can get some very good press and make a very good impression, but things can happen, and you have to keep proving yourself again and again and again. we'll see if he can rally and come back from that. he certainly had some support initially. >> it's a marathon, not a sprint. i'm sure we'll be talking to you a lot, j. ann selzer, as we head