that's why i'll be vindicated. >> he's done so many great things for civil rights. on this issue, i'm wondering if this is does he really want to standby what he is saying? should he be the one saying what you said and moving on instead of trying to clarify. some nuance position that most people don't understand. i'm not quite sure i understand it. >> i'll tell you this, i i could get into that, but i will say there was an argument on both sides black and white academic and not. and activists. who still have a debate about bussing and it's effect on the the african american community. what i don't want to do is debate bussing when we have a president that is trying to roll back row v wade. if we give him more seats on the supreme court. i'm worried about brown vs. board of education. all those thing.