activities of employees. author of government ethics and cnn contributor. how much weight does this subpoena hold for kellyanne conway? >> it's a serious escalation. i think we can predict the white house is going to ignore it, as they have with others. ultimately, this is going to have to be litigated in the courts. i think there's a very good chance the house is going to win this one, but unfortunately these things take time. and i think that's the broader strategy of the white house right now, is resist everything across the board and stall, stall, stall. >> she refused to appear on the advice of white house counsel. executive privilege has not been exercised here, right? so what's the legal -- what's the legal rationale for this? >> so the white house is asserting sort of a strange claim that white house presidential advisers have absolute immunity to any kind of a subpoena. that's not a viewpoint that