to the people who actually experienced the harm. but it's really curious to me because you said it, john, this is the first year when we had this issue in the history of the congress. why now? what's going on in the discourse in america that we now look back for something that clearly was horrific. your comments were riveting. but why now? why are we having this conversation now? what's going on politically within the democratic party because that's where this is coming from, this is an issue now that has some sense of urgency and that i think is the question that needs to be answered. >> let me say this. there is two problems with that, right? people keep saying it was 150 years ago. no, it didn't. we kept a kind of quasi slavery long after slavely was eliminated, right? we built into the 13th amendment the clause that says you cannot be forced to give voluntarily labor unless you're convicted of