is that a problem? >> i'm perplexed. vice president biden suggests because a segregationist referred to him as son as a white man, as opposed to referring to black men as boys, that this is a mark of civility between two senators. when in fact it's one white senator recording a modicum of respect to another white senator. that is not the full measure of civility. civility would be for someone like that to work with people who -- he segregated -- that he discriminated against, that he spoke ill of, so i frankly don't understand the point that the vice president was making. but more to the point, you can't make fun of -- or make light of african-american men being dismissed morally speaking as boys. that's just not appropriate. and i do think the vice president should really take responsibility for this, apologize and get back to the