i'm just -- i'm nervous all around the board. >> everyone i worked with has thought about backing out of this at some point. >> i'm not backing out of anything. once i commit, i'm all in for it, and this is something that needs to be done. >> yeah. >> appreciate getting a little bit of time with you. >> sure. >> i know you're working hard getting ready. this whole thing actually started in indiana, this whole idea of dialogues and restorative justice. >> yeah, the epicenter in the late '70s was elk heart, indiana. howard zaire, a lot of people refer to as the grandfather of restorative justice who brought these ideas. >> what is restorative justice? >> i think restorative justice empowers the people who are most affected by crime to come together and heal in ways that we didn't know before. it can reduce post-traumatic stress symptoms. i think it's an approach to