talk. and it is important to say these are the things that touch a nerve. these are the things that do hurt. she totally heard that. totally understood that. we are both victims of the kind of discrimination that's going on and the kind of hate talk that is going on. do you want to keep that going? do you want to perpetuate that? no this is the person i know. now i know on a very personal relationship. and we can work together. of course we can. >> i mean, so i want to say, you know, there are people who are genuinely interested in fighting anti-semitism. and then there are -- >> of course i am. >> there are those that are interested in weaponizing, right, anti-semitism to shut down debate on whatever they might not agree on and villify